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My car came with an inflation kit. It's maybe a bit paranoid but I like having a spare wheel. Although I live in a town I go driving in the countryside quite a lot and don't want to get stuck.

I got a steel wheel with no tyre: 4Jx15x40. Now I need a tyre. (I kind of wish I'd just looked on ebay for a complete space saver wheel but too late now.)

The manual suggests that the space saver tyre should be 125/80 R15, but I'm wondering could I fit 135/80 R15 tyres on this rim? I don't know much about cars. I have no idea what range of tyres fit on a particular wheel. Maybe I should just talk to a tyre shop?

The tyres on my car are 195/60 R15. The manual recommends 125/80 R15 for the space saver spare. I'm a bit surprised by the difference in diameter. The full list of tyres in the manual are:
125/80 R15 = 581mm
185/60 R15 = 603mm
195/60 R15 = 615mm
195/55 R16 = 621mm
205/45 R17 = 616mm

So in terms of radius the standard space saver tyre will be 17mm smaller - seems a lot to me. 135/80 R15 would be 597mm diameter, so still smaller but perhaps more within reason? My main concern is would such a tyre fit on the wheel I bought?
 

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Yes, a 135/80 tyre would fit a 4J rim ok

If you don't mind moving away from Ford specifications a 165/70 r15 tyre on a 5J or 5.5J rim (4J too narrow) would be a more "normal" sized and readily available tyre. You would still obviously be limited to 50mph as with any situation with a spare wheel of a different size but in this case the rollingdiameter would be a mere 3mm different, but it probably wouldn't quite squeeze into the spare wheel well.
 

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Just an observation and I admit I know little about tyres
size and wheel size/rims. But my first thought might be that if the manual
recommends a 125/80 R15 that might not just be because what Fords recommends.
It may be because that is also the maximum size that will allow the space saver
wheel with tyre fitted to fit into the recess in the boot. If you fit a 135/80
that will mean the overall size will be that little bit larger and might mean
that it will not fit into the recess in the boot.

Just a thought maybe.

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You know I am beginning to wonder whether we are better off carrying a high output tyre inflator that plugs into the 12 volt accessory socket. I bought one from Halfords and it takes just 2 minutes to pump from flat to 36 ppsi. On the basis that most punctures are slow deflating, I imagine that if you were to get a flat, and used this device, you could probably run for another 30 minutes before having to reconnect the pump. I would rather do this 4 or 5 times on a journey, than have to mess around with gimmicky wheels or a combination of glue and treacle that will probably ruin a tyre any way.
 

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Yes fellop, a 135/80 tyre will be 10mm fatter than a 125/80 tyre so may be an issue fitting it in the wheel well.

JOHNWHALES, I agree most punctures are slow ones which is why I always carry a pump with me but there will always be the chance of a puncture that the air comes out fast than you can pump it back in!

I also don't want to be stuck with no tyre shops open as I often travel at odd times
 

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Thanks for the feedback. I've decided I had better do things by the book and go with the 125/80. I don't want to have an accident and then for there to be some question mark about the wheel I'm using. I'm probably not going to get it for a couple of weeks now because I'm really busy one way or another.

I had considered the issue of whether the well would take a 135/80 tyre. It's hard to tell because everything is curving. I reckon it would but I'm not sure. I'm quite tempted to take off one of the wheels on the car to see if the well takes a 195/60 wheel. Obviously it's going to stick up quite a bit, but maybe with the boot floor in the upper position? I'll try it sometime in the next couple of weeks and post.
 

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This is always a problem with the will I or won't I school
of thought and I always have to take into account Murphy's Law.

This year I will have been motoring for a little over 50
years and in all that time I have had one [slow] puncture, six months ago on my
ex Fusion. The Fusion had a space saver which I did not use I went to ATS they
fixed it complete with new valve and wheel balance for £12.

However I can imagine and apply the dreaded Murphy's Law and
if I had not got a space saver for my B Max 4 months ago I would by now not
doubt have suffered many punctures and complete blow outs at high speed.

Again as an example during my 50 odd years of motoring I
have never ever had a front suspension strut go, apart from my ex Fusion about
a year ago when both went within 3 months of each other, well that's Murphy's
Law for you.

The final reason I opt for a space saver is that if you do
ever get a puncture and only have the can of gunk then you will need to buy
another can of gunk, in all probability buy another tyre and do that twice over
the lifetime of your car and you may as well have paid for a space saver in the
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One slow puncture in 50 years of motoring? You have been very lucky indeed fellop
 

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I carry a space saver, repair kit, and electric pump, I bought the space saver with brand new Michelin tyre on line for £15. The big advantage with a space saver, particularly when you are older, is that it is far easier to manage than a 16 " wheel.
 

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Hi ? I am new to the forum but have been reading up on spare wheels. I've been looking on eBay for 'skinny' spare wheels but there are not many around specifically for b-Max. Does anyone know which other Ford space saver wheels will fit a 100 1.0L Ecoboost with R15 tyres? Roger
 

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I have the Titanium with X Pack. As part of this setup the car is fitted with 205/45/R17 - they don't come any wider than that!I too am not happy with a bottle of gunk as a tyre repair kit so started down the route of seeking out a space saver. However when I looked at the wheel well under the boot floor I was sure a full size wheel would fit in there. I took one of my wheels off the car and hey presto it fitted perfectly into the tyre well and the boot floor still sat on its supports without hindrance. I therefore decided to go down the full size wheel route. I sourced an alloy rim from a reputable car breakers (from an old Mondeo {4 stud}) and had a legal second hand tyre fitted all for £65.00. This solution means that if I am unfortunate enough to have a puncture I can change the wheel and continue my journey at normal speeds as opposed to spending the rest of the day seeking out a tyre depot to repair / replace the damaged tyre.
I quickly realised if the wheel is placed in the well "upside down" then I could manufacture two disks with spring clips to secure the jack and (in my case) socket set within the depth of the wheel. everything is then secured with threaded rod and wing nut to the bracket already provided in the bottom of the wheel well
to avoid wheel / jack flying around the cabin if an accident were to dislodge same. The second disk is supported by the rim of the wheel to provide a neat, level boot sub floor
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I have a full size wheel supplied on purchase of the car. How much do you quote for the parts you manufactured? Include postage.

I also have a fire extinguisher but can't decide where to fix it. In my opinion it should be in the passengers footwell area. I notice yours in in the boot and not easily accesible if loaded with shopping. Seeing as how you are inovative, any ideas on fixing inside the car without puncturing the panels?
 

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I'm not really into manufacturing for others (liability, insurance etc) buit if you look up local wood turning clubs you might find an enthusiastic wood turner from there who would oblige for a nominal amount.He would need the wheel available to get the exact diameter of the inner and outer rims plus the height to which the pillars are set to give a good fit. If you do go down that route then I would be only too pleased to send additional photos to illustrate the details of mine.
I've just been into the garage to confirm the extinguisher will easily fit into the pop bottle holder in the drivers door storage compartment. It appears a bit "wobbly" but opening and shutting the door a few times has not dislodged it. If it suits you could pack around it with other items (window cleaning cloth etc)
 

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If you read my previous post you will see that the well will accept a full size wheel - big benefit is you can continue your journey at normal speeds if you are unlucky enough to have a puncture.It doesn't have to be an exact match for the other alloys on your car.
If you have any reputable car breakers in your area they should be able to supply you with rim / tyre for a reasonable cost. You will also need a jack and brace - they sometimes have those as well. As I've said I got mine together for £65.00 - cheaper than a space saver. Make sure the tyre size is the same as that on the other wheels as (if fitted) your car might think you have a puncture when you change the wheel (it detects any change in wheel diameter. Also it means the car will drive safely.
I obtained mine from Motor Hog at Doncaster - they do have an online "shop" and will deliver for the cost of the postage (a VERY efficient setup).


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JRB Wakefield said:
I'm not really into manufacturing for others (liability, insurance etc) buit if you look up local wood turning clubs you might find an enthusiastic wood turner from there who would oblige for a nominal amount.He would need the wheel available to get the exact diameter of the inner and outer rims plus the height to which the pillars are set to give a good fit. If you do go down that route then I would be only too pleased to send additional photos to illustrate the details of mine.
I've just been into the garage to confirm the extinguisher will easily fit into the pop bottle holder in the drivers door storage compartment. It appears a bit "wobbly" but opening and shutting the door a few times has not dislodged it. If it suits you could pack around it with other items (window cleaning cloth etc)
I too am inovative but now lack facilities so was thinking a 'one off' as a club 'friend'. As for insurance, there would be no problem in one off for 'friends' I feel sure. However, I understand.

I did a lot of professional metal turning and some wood turning with a home made lathe made from a joist and motorcycle gearbox.

I attended many road accidents and know that anything loose, no matter where in the car, can become a bullet. I will look into whether it could be fixed there though.
 

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JRB Wakefield said:
If you read my previous post you will see that the well will accept a full size wheel - big benefit is you can continue your journey at normal speeds if you are unlucky enough to have a puncture.It doesn't have to be an exact match for the other alloys on your car.
If you have any reputable car breakers in your area they should be able to supply you with rim / tyre for a reasonable cost. You will also need a jack and brace - they sometimes have those as well. As I've said I got mine together for £65.00 - cheaper than a space saver. Make sure the tyre size is the same as that on the other wheels as (if fitted) your car might think you have a puncture when you change the wheel (it detects any change in wheel diameter. Also it means the car will drive safely.
I obtained mine from Motor Hog at Doncaster - they do have an online "shop" and will deliver for the cost of the postage (a VERY efficient setup).


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Many thanks for the info. I do pass Doncaster at least once per year to visit my Sunderland birthplace so could collect.

I would think the turning and post dimensions would be identical for wheels which take the same size tyres so would be grateful if you were able to supply pictures and dimensions if you noted them. Just outside diameter and thickness plus the post shoulder height. That would enable me to approach vial email, the below members of a local club as you suggest:

http://www.chelmerwood.co.uk/
 

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Sorry for the delay but I've been away for a few daysHere are the details of my efforts.Thickness of disks - 18mm (old kitchen cabinet carcass)
Pillar shoulder to shoulder 110mm
Bottom disk 195mm rad
Top disc 209mm rad
I must stress that the dimensions are all based on my 205/45 R17 wheel / tyre. I strongly recommend you take the wheel along with you when you sort out a friendly wood turner
A recent modification has been to glue some 6mm threaded rod into the tops of the pillars so that when the top disk is located it can be secured in place with "repair washers" and wing nuts. I had to drill out slightly so that the wings of the nut don't foul the underside of the false boot floor


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Many thanks.

Not had any brainwaves about the extinguisher yet?

You would think Ford would put some sort of bracket to clip things like that to somehwere in the cabin front.
 

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Just an aside regarding punctures. I was delayed getting my new car yesterday because when it was inspected/prepared at the dealers they discovered a nail in a tyre so they had to fit a new one. Later when I picked the car up it had just 7 miles on the clock! Just shows you a puncture can occur at anytime.
 
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