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i already notcied the noise during gear change the very first day i collected the car

thought of following up later with dealer after the run in times and clutch break in ..

in a mean time was surfing the net to find more info about Powershift and found this one..

my problem is exactly as the first one mentioned below , Double clicking metal sounds


PowerShift 6 Speed Operating Characteristics
In 2010, Ford launched an all new transmission, PowerShift, an advanced six-speed automatic transmission based on manual transmission technology with class-leading fuel efficiency. This communication will help explain the technology and common operating characteristics of this new transmission found on the Fiesta and Focus in order to improve customer expectations and
experiences. PowerShift is an advanced automatic transmission technology
The PowerShift is really like two 3-speed manual transmissions put together, with the dual clutch and shifting components controlled electronically. Since most of the components are derived from a manual transmission, the PowerShift transmission will drive, sound, and feel like a manual transmission but without the driver interaction.

Service Personnel Support
Since PowerShift Transmission is a new technology, some customers might not be familiar with the normal driving characteristics of this transmission. Service support personnel should be aware of the normal operating characteristics and be able to differentiate between normal characteristics and abnormal symptoms that require service. The following information will
assist with addressing certain potential customer concerns.

Common Characteristics of the PowerShift Transmission
Common Sounds a driver may notice are:

""¢ Double clicking metal sounds. These noises can likely be heard while driving on very smooth surfaces during a 1-2 upshift or a 3-2-1coast down. The sounds occur with every gear engagement, but generally cannot be heard over the background engine, road and wind noises at higher speeds. Most noticeable if the windows are down and the radio is off, these sounds are of the shift forks moving and the synchronizers engaging a gear (similar to a manual transmission). These shifting sounds are part of normal operation.
""¢ Coast down whine. A slight gear whine while slowing or coasting is normal
""¢ Clicking sounds after the engine is turned off. As the vehicle is powered down, the
transmission will cycle the clutches to the released position so it is ready for a safe restart of the engine. This is part of normal operation. Clicking sounds from the
transmission immediately after the engine is turned off are normal.
""¢ Low speed grinding. A slight grinding noise may be heard at about 2 MPH. This noise
is more evident during ""trailer-hitching""� events (see below). This noise is caused by a
normal bearing rotation and does not affect the durability of the transmission.
""¢ Reverse gear whine. Some PowerShift transmissions will exhibit gear whine in reverse. The level of whine has been significantly reduced in later build vehicles, but can still be detected to some level. This is characteristic of many manual transmissions, and is not a defect or a situation in which a repair should be attempted

Trailer-hitching feel.
Some customers may experience a trailer-hitching feel (or a slight
bumping feel). The trailer-hitching feel may occur in lower forward gears ""“ particularly if the customer is off and on the throttle quickly. It may be more noticeably in a parking lot or when a customer is doing multiple on/off throttle pedal maneuvers. This trailer-hitching/engagement feel is a normal characteristic of the dry clutch-equipped manual transmission design.
Conversely, conventional automatic transmissions are equipped with a torque converter. The torque converter is a fluid coupling device which dampens these positive engagements feels. Diagnostic tips to be used during service visit When evaluating a customer experience regarding this transmission, first compare to a like vehicle. The like vehicle should be at the same transmission fluid temperature as the customer's vehicle. Sounds will change as the transmission oil changes temperature and viscosity. If the suspect sound is similar to a like transmission at the same temperature, then it is most likely a normal characteristic and no repair attempt should be made.

If the vehicle loses electrical power due to the removal of a power or ground battery cable, or the battery discharges, the transmission will perform an initial system status check upon power restore to verify shift motor position. This results in a series of mechanical noises for 10-30 seconds. The transmission will not engage and the vehicle will not move while this is
happening. This is normal after an electrical power loss to the transmission.

""Green""� clutch break-in period
New, replacement, and reset clutches are ""green""� and require a break in period before shift event quality is maximized. During the break-in period, green clutches may exhibit:
""¢ A rattle noise similar to a loose catalytic converter shield. This noise is commonly heard after light throttle 1-2, 2-3 or 3-4 upshifts. This rattle noise will diminish greatly as the clutch completes the break-in.
""¢ A take-off shudder/launch judder (shaky vs. smooth).
""¢ A harsh-shift feel during the first few cold shifts before the transmission reaches operating temperature.

All of the above conditions will diminish and the customer will notice progressively better launch and smoother shifting within the first few hundred miles of mixed driving as clutch break-in occurs. Note: The break-in process may take longer for highway driving, where the clutch is not shifting.
The transmission will automatically learn and make adaptations during shifting events, so it is important to evaluate after allowing sufficient driving time for adaptations to occur. This green clutch feel may reappear if the clutch touch points are reset and/or the clutch is removed and/or replaced. The condition may last longer for a clutch replacement than a reset. A reset may take up to 100 miles to get the new touch points learned to the point of not making
any of the out-of-adjustment noise. A clutch replacement may take up to 1000 miles to reach break-in dependent on the customer style of driving.
The break-in period can be minimized by performing the adaptive drive cycle exactly as described in the Workshop Manual, Section 307-11 (Fiesta) and 307-01 (Focus)

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Edited by: johnmaster

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Thanks for the info, I always appreciate learning about the operation of my car. I just picked up my B Max on Friday and already have logged 195 miles. One of the things I was concerned about was the six-speed automatic transmission. I had read about some of the problems the earlier B Max owners had. I am happy to say that as of now it is working like a charm. I have heard no noises, it shifts through the gears smoothly and has no problems shifting up climbing the hills and mountains here in southern Bayern. As of yet, I have not tried the "Sports Mode", as my dealer recommended putting a thousand kilometers on the car first. Also, I will put the windows down and the radio off to listen again for any transmission noise. I will say that I am quite happy with th B Max up to this point... it handles like a dream, and I feel it is superior to my old C Max. Once again, thanks for the info.

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That's definitely worth knowing. I'm not due to take delivery of mine until mid-end September, but it will stop me thinking something is wrong if I encounter any of the breaking in issues. Thanks.

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A take-off shudder/launch judder (shaky vs. smooth).

On my Mums Bmax we still encounter this and the car has done 7500 miles, Ford couldn't find anything wrong.

Morenoticeablewhen there is more people in the car
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