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Come on then - lets here it for everyone who loves their B-Max and let us know why you love yours below
 

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Despite having it vandalized after only three days of owning B Max.Loose rear door water seal, windscreen replaced because heating element packed in, all before car had traveled 3000 miles,I think it is "Stylish", has plenty of "extras", is very easy and comfortable to drive, also very economic on fuel.
Having owned a Mercedes Benz Vaneo, I would rate the B Max way ahead of the Mercedes in style/comfort/spec, etc at half the cost.


This is only my OPINION
 

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I am, by and large, happy with my B-Max. It is a great, quiet ride and the car has some lovely features. I have had a couple of minor niggles and some self inflicted damage (door mirror contact with gatepost)which have soon been put right. Reading other peoples problems here shows me I have been fortunate in getting acar that seems OK (fx crosses fingers fx).
One has to remember that this is a new model sois going tohave teething troubles. We early purchasers are, in fact, beta testers.
 

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Me to, am very happy with my B-Max. just two months old. Great to drive, quiet, great Sony radio/CD, very easy to see dash instrumentation, 1.0 litre engine very economical and quite fast and smooth, difficult to imagine it is only 1.0 litre with only 3 cylindersI think it is human nature to complain and more difficult to praise something.
If you like this size of car and fits your requirements I can heartily recommend it. Well done Ford!
 

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Seems this the place to be "pleased with ourselves"
So here goes. Have driven diesel cars for many years always bought pre owned cars,fancy name for 2nd hand. Usually 15 to 20000 miles on clock and well run in, I understood that a diesel needed a good mileage before decent performance could be expected. My bmax is first new car I can call my own,a 1.5 diesel and whilst very pleased all round not very excited with the performance. Now with 11000 on the clock there seems to be a lot more life under the bonnet that is until a few days ago I made a mistake at a B P filling station I made a mistake and filled up with B P ULTIMATE. Within a few miles I discovered I had a very different engine under the bonnet,quieter,smoother more responsive all round more get up and go. Am I making this up,is it my imagination,have no idea I wonder would a few others try a fill and post their findings. At about 8pence a L dearer(here in N I)is it worth it? That's what I would like to know. MPG does not seem to much different but boy am I getting some fun out of driving it! My right foot seems to have forgotten how to be sensible.
So you diesel fans please join in the test and let's have your findings. NO I am not connected to BP in any way am normally a big dis believer of fancy claims and had to make the mistake in wrong fuel pump to do what I did.
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BP Ultimate, as well as other Premium grades, does improve performance there is no doubt about that, but you will be very lucky to improve fuel consumption by 10% or more.

So on a journey of 50 miles in a car doing 50 m.p.g. and diesel cost of £1.35 per litre your costs are going to be £6.01 for the journey. If using Ultimate gives you 55 m.p.g. and the cost is £1.43 per litre, the cost of your journey will be£5.79So if your fuel saving is in this bracket, and taking into account this grade of fuel is very good for your engine, on an average annual mileage you could save around £50. Try using Ultimate on alternate fill ups, you might get an overall improvement at less cost.
 

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It is interesting to note that the Ford eco measurements are carried out using BP Ultimate fuels. It is likely that when they do the power measurements that they also use this fuel hencethe improvement in power. I found a great improvement in performance when I used this type of fuel in my last car which could give me up to a 4mpg improvement but often did not owing to me enjoying using the extra power.
 

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Thank you both for your comments. What other prem grade fuel is there? Have only heard of the B P. Would really like to know.
No doubt the car goes like a bird I am delighted to have this confirmed by both of you this juice turns a very nice going car into something a bit special. What a pity the car testers don't admit what fuel they use,it might prevent people (like me) think they are telling porkies when boasting about performance.

I hope a few more new owners of diesel b max will try this prem juice and let us know what they think, very keen to hear from the 1.6 owners.
Bottom line her if you can afford the extra few coppers go for it go for it,but if you are a worrier about mpg don't!.

Be warned with premium in your tank very hard not to use the wellie.
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It is not really a case of being able to afford the fuel, if at the end of the cycle you use less ! Having commented on this issue, I intend to give the tank a fill up on my next refill. Apart from BP Ultimate which led the way with premium diesel, I have recently seen super grades with Shell, Esso and Texaco.

A point to also bear in mind, diesel in my home Mid Wales town is currently 140.9 p per litre, but I regularly travel out of the area and use an accurate on line fuel price guide to locate cheaper fuel on my route. On a journey to Cardiff last week end I located an Esso station just off the A 470 near Merthyr which was selling diesel at 134.9 p per litre, which is a huge saving. I did notice that premium diesel on this site was 144.9p, a full 10 p per litre dearer than the standard fuel. In my opinion using the BP Esso and Shell brands is in itself preferential to many of the cheaper supermarket products which often lack essential additives; and I am not sure that filing up with Premium where there is a cash difference of 45 p per gallon is cost effective.

I will report back on my findings before Christmas regards the savings on my B Max.
 

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I also use Shell V max which I think was the first of the 'super' fuels. These fuels also contain cleaning and lubricatingelements although I am not convinced that these will make much difference except in a 'super car'.
 

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Pete, as I understand it from several Dealership mechanics, the cleaning additives in these fuels are very beneficial. Apparently they have a massive effect on engine emissions, and I have been lead to understand that several MOT failures have had the result reversed just by using one tank of Premium diesel.
 

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It is not really a case of being able to afford the fuel,  if at the end of the cycle you use less !Having commented on this issue,  I intend to give the tank a fill up on my next refill.   Apart from BP Ultimate which led the way with premium diesel,  I have recently seen super grades with Shell,  Esso and Texaco.

A point to also bear in mind,  diesel in my home Mid Wales town is currently 140.9 p per litre,  but I regularly travel out of the area and use an accurate on line fuel price guide to locate cheaper fuel on my route.   On a journey to Cardiff last week end I located an Esso station just off the A 470 near Merthyr which was selling diesel at 134.9 p per litre,  which is a huge saving.I did notice that premium diesel on this site was 144.9p,  a full 10 p per litre dearer than the standard fuel.   In my opinion using the BP Esso and Shell brands is in itself preferential to many of the cheaper supermarket products which often lack essential additives;  and I am not sure that filing up with Premium where there is a cash difference of 45 p per gallon is cost effective.

I will report back on my findings before Christmas regards the savings on my B Max.
Thank you john,I look forward to the results of your test,exact mpg and related cost/savings will help to answer my ? Is it worth the effort!
Today I needed a fill so bought £40 worth standard diesel,just to see if I can really feel the difference,we will see.

Here in NI our fuel prices are more expensive than in England,thank goodness for the Diesel.

Just had a test run in a Peugeot 3008 with the 1.6d engine was impressed. I also have an old Picasso again 1.6 d still goes like a watch about 46mpg,would love a go in the latest model. The handling of mine is not great but I understand the new one is most improved.
The bmax really is a joy to drive. Enjoy your driving over Christmas.
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I used to have a Picasso Exclusive diesel, the 1.6HDI. It was a great car, leather seats, sunroof ( bit noisy ) and it averaged 57 m.p.g. This of course was due to my driving mode - free wheeling down hills, pushing up them, and timing the journey to coincide with wind direction !!! I think 1.6 sized engines are the most economic, as long as the driver is not in the boy racer class. I think £1.38 is about the U.K. average for diesel, what is it in N.I. ?
 

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For attention of Arm 987 and any one else interested.........




I have just completed a test using Shell V Max, I think that is what it is called. On standard branded fuels the best consumption I achieved was 67.6 m.p.g. This was over a 500 mile round trip at economic speeds including motorway and Welsh rural roads, with a medium load. A series of very short journeys over the following few weeks brought that down to 65 m.p.g.; most of these journeys did not even warm the engine. Once down to 65 m.p.g., the car was reluctant to improve to the previous figure, probably down to the fact I had by this time fitted winter tyres.




I was away for the last few days and filled up with 56 litres of V Power ( just found receipt ) costing £1.469 per litre, some 8 p more than the Shell standard fuel. I reset my fuel computer, and set off on my 140 mile journey home, almost immediately joining the motorway for the first 75 miles. My consumption figure gradually built up to 72 m.p.g. which was very impressive because I had not achieved this figure when the original test was done on summer tyres. I averaged 60 m.p.h. on the motorway, but as there were quite a few hills, by the time I joined rural Wales, the figure had quite surprisingly gone down to 65 m.p.g. By the time I arrived home the read out was 67.3 m.p.g. After leaving the motorway my speed ranged between 40 and 55 m.p.h.




My conclusions are slightly disappointing !! The premium fuel cost me nearly £3 extra, and the long journey economies did not produce any outstanding readings. However, I have to consider that this was on my winter tyres and I have the feeling these tyres increase consumption by about 3 m.p..g. however, even with 70 m.p.g. I can see no financial advantage of using this fuel.




The advantage to the engine is of course another matter. I will report back in a couple of weeks, as I have no long journeys are planned.
 

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Thank you John for your careful attention to my request for detailed test results.
At end of day think you are 100% dead on,the end result is just not really worth all of the trouble. The only people who really benefit from this "super fuel" are the fuel makers and the petrol stations who sell it. I note some stations are offering double Necter points on the premium, seems they will do almost anything to screw the extra pennies out of us,anything that is other than to keep the price down.
Here in N I average cost of standard fuel is between 137.99 and 139.99 with the prem Grade another 8p.
I have never been able to achieve your mpg with my 1.5 D But am happy enough with my 45 to 49 mpg with a bit over 50 on long runs,must confess I do get bored after quite a short time of trying so hard to achieve best mpg.

All in all the car is a pleasure to drive, I still have a hankering after the very latest Picasso C4 1.6D main reason is much better visibility of following traffic and the overall feeling of a bigger car. It seems that the latest model has a different chassis (in common with Peugeot) this has improved handling by a decent margin.
The sliding door in the Bmax is magic but the extra thickness of the pillar can at times be a bit of a bind,at 83 I find it difficult to twist around to get a good view in heavy traffic. No doubt nothing is 100% perfect!
Bottom line is the supper juice is nice to have if one is happy to pay the price otherwise the standard liquid is just grand.
Thanks again John for your close attention to this mpg question,now me thinks time for sleep.
Arm 987
 

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Thanks for your reply Arm 987; I am glad my feed back was of interest to you. Your diesel prices in Northern Ireland are slightly cheaper than here in Mid Wales - hard pressed to find anything under £1.40

However, I occasionally go to Cardiff for rugby, and to the Midlands to visit friends, where it is possible to find diesel at £1.35p. As you say there seems little point in spending the extra on super fuel; however on my journey to Birmingham last Friday I did overtake a lorry which was travelling at just under 50 m.p.h., I completed the manoeuvre in third gear and was a little disappointed in performance. I am not sure what my revs were because I was totally concentrating on an approaching vehicle, but I did encounter a flat spot. Perhaps I would have been better off in 4 th gear. The B Max of course is quite a heavy vehicle and is probably more suited to a 1.9 diesel engine; on some of the mountain passes around here I get no response at all in second gear below 10 m.p.h.

As a matter of interest what speed do you get in 5th gear at 1000 r.p.m.; mine is 32.5 m.p.h., so at 2000 r.p.m. I am traveling at 65 m.p.h. I think I have mentioned before, I have owned several Citroens in the past, and can speak very highly of them for comfort and reliability.

Take care Pal, you are 13 years my senior.
 

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Hi John
Here is a tale that will interest you and those who have followed the saga of "premium fuel such as BP Ultimate"
Today I had a visit from an old friend,same vintage as myself in the 80s,we discussed the in and outs of the special fuel and here is his take on the matter.
He has a beautiful old BM diesel estate looked after like a child. He had to have a NEW engine fitted a few years ago (a BM genuine new not a recon) At around 40000 engine began to sound a bit rough and tick over uneven. In Lisburn there is a small firm owned by ex BMW and Merc trained motor engineers they specialise in servicing out? of warienty expensive cars.
The first question asked was where he got his fuel-was it either Tesco or Sainsburies, which it was!
It seems diesel supplied by them is pure poison to a decent Diesel.
The end result was a bill £1400 for new injectors,and strict instructions to use only ULTIMATE FUEL in future.
Would be interesting to hear from others if this seems credible. My friend is very much a Car nut,used to do a bit of car racing in his youth.
Re you question re mph and engine revs, will come back later after I give it a try.
 

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Hi Arm987,

Re: your comment about supermarket diesel, and for anybody else that thinks one brand offuel might be better, sorry to burst all your bubbles but in my earlier years as a delivery driver, I use to deliver to a local fuel terminal, and I use to watch tankers filling up, and in that line were tankers from Asda, BP, Shell, Texaco, Tesco etc. etc.

They all got the same fuel from one terminal so I'm afraid it is all in the mind when blaming brands of fuel for cars not running as good on one brand rather than another.

Sorry!

 

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Interesting story Arm 987 which I well believe, and Specialk no bubble has been burst. Do not tanker drivers make TWO stops at fuel terminals ? The first to take on the fuel, and the second to obtain the additives which are so important for a healthy engine. BP Ultimate is exactly the same fuel as its standard grade, it is the additives that provide the benefits.
 
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